Is Melee a Good Game?

July 12, 2020



A review.

Intro (I know it’s stupid to timestamp this but for some reason YouTube has made it so that you must have a 00:00 timestamp to incorporate chapters into the video): 00:00
Part I⁠—Movement: 2:30
Part II⁠⁠—Singleplayer: 16:33
Part III⁠—Multiplayer: 21:54
Conclusion: 34:50

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All Comments

  • You know damn well Lifelight slaps, and I refuse to think you think otherwise.

    A.K. Morris July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • So basically, if any new entry in the Smash series would happen to have a very similar (if not the same) movement options, while still being more accessible to new players to practice, Melee would end up being officially obsolete?

    In a way, it’s a real shame Sakurai just doesn’t like wavedashing and L-cancelling. Otherwise he would have kept those mechanics in all of the games post Melee because he hates the competitive scene.

    el Metal Fecho July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • It seems Melee is to him as Skyrim is to me. I’ve poured more time into it than game other game, but it ain’t my favorite

    Jacob Underwood July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • "Sorry man, I can't come over to play melee, my controller's functioning normally"

    Sheridan Comnene July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Nah, I see why people like it, but it is objectively not great, and broken, very broken

    Droidix Bacon July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Yeah, I would. If that small, specific part of the game was so enjoyable that I enjoyed it more so than all other games, I would call it my favourite. It’s no more or less logical to instead critique the whole game to see if it’s still your favourite. Preferences don’t need to be ‘logical’.

    Blue Ribbon July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • No but we still love it.

    Ahmet Eker July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • I've always liked Ultimate's movement personally. I'm not a top level competitive player but am simultaneously not interested in only casual party gameplay. I enjoy weeklies and the like, and honestly I'm kinda glad there's no super high skill ceiling for basic movement. I've always found competitive melee quite boring to watch with all the movement, it all just looks like a blur to me and then Fox shoots off the stage at 50% and dies because Marth decided to touch the ledge. I've always appreciated a more calculated slower approach to games and I think limited movement helps with that play. You can't zoom around the stage at mach speeds with wavedashes and shit, so you have to make the most of the movement options you do have.
    Plus, I feel super technical movement only favours one type of character, that being Rushdowns. There's a reason most of Melee's top tiers are extremely aggressive characters, the only exceptions being ICs who only exist because one mistake from those hyper aggressive characters is a stock, and Jiggs who exists to shut down that movement. I'm simply not a fan of that. Can you imagine trying to play Bowser when Joker can wavedash around you and edge cancel his extremely powerful Arsene aerials? Can you imagine trying to play Villager when people just zoom by your tree with a lightning fast Cpt. Falcon nair before following up with a 60% combo that ends in Knee of Justice?

    Megami July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • world of light has a banger main theme

    Cezll July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • no

    Hi hi hi hi hi July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • The melee intro screen looks like drugs

    ERBEpic July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • honestly idk if you'll see this comment, but you should consider making other nintendo content. I'd love to see the content you'd make on things like paper mario or Luigi's mansion

    SgtFigNewton July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • You seem to be forgetting how before the release of literally every smash game since melee, the entire community comes together to hope that the new smash game's single player content is as good as melee's. I've seen it personally happen with sm4sh and Sm4.5h and I'd imagine it happened with brawl for obvious reasons.

    DoggyPoo July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Gotta respect the Pikmin music at the end there.

    Marcel Roscioli July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Never once having played and or cared to play melee, I learned quite a bit about the game, nice video

    Leighton Wrigley July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • 31:56 I love how he included pure shit. What, you think I'm offended? Hahahahahaahaaaa!

    Aaryan Kumar July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Melee is honestly way over hyped. It’s just objectively not as well made as the more recent games. It’s horribly imbalanced, not very approachable, most of the tech relies on unintended programming issues, has less characters, less options and techniques, etc. this doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy it, but when people say Melee is the best Smash game or “the perfect game” it’s disingenuous and shows nostalgia and purism more than anything.
    It’s still a fun game though

    Spaghetti Bird July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • The difference isn’t casual vs competitive. The difference is young vs old. Ultimate is more forgiving to younger players. I guess same can be said for smash brawl and smash 4.

    Electric иoνα July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Wow I thought it would be 40 minutes of someone making excuses for their favorite game, but instead I got to understand both sides of the argument.
    I feel like people either love the game or hate it, the portion that can come to an agreement on these concepts must be small cause I never see it.

    Goldenleyend July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • A games not good if people like it most for its trash engine

    My mom says I'm ugly July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Bruh i gor so distracted by the Kirby Air Ride music. Love that game

    Aron108 Why an I forced to put a last name? July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • 19:42
    JP version…. f*** you sir lol
    YouTube.com/watch?v=Hq1pHEcaHSA

    Tj Castle July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Wrong opinion

    Ryan Gebhardt July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • 20:46 yes, yes they were short for time.

    loomer21 July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • I would love to play melee but I dont have a gamecube/pc so, I guess Im stuck with ultimate

    Absolutr Chad July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • 20:53 "what were they short of time or something?" Almost thought you didn't know the development story.

    Sugaru July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • 32:50 i have some not really questionable means of getting the iso right now… just not the disk so imma go with those questionable means.

    pupypup July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • given the history of smash i think i can confidently say that smash ultimate is the ultimate smash game.
    Dont get me wrong, melee is obviously great, with his high skill sealing and janky controls, and everything, but smash ultimate is just what id call the definitive version. Especially with all the DLC coming out.
    maybe if melee had more development time it could have been really, really good.

    pupypup July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • I have never played melee, but i 100% agree on the input lag

    Saturos July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • When the pikuniku music started I had to go back to hear what you said because I was boppin' to it

    Oretal July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Don't really mind the removal of sheild drops. I main Yoshi and well he's the only character who can't do it,

    CrossoverFan4life July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Regardless of personal opinions and all that, the fact that sakuri (who by ultimate's development knows perfectly well about the sort of cheese and broken nature of melee) refined the game to not include these game breaking moves shows even he thinks melee is a broken mess only kept alive by the community exploiting it. Its basiclly the equivalent of me using a money duplication glitch in an online multiplayer game.

    Justis Fiduccia July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • holy crap! that's why I can't turn around fast in this game.

    Luke Musser July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • My only major complaint about ultimate is that when you unlock a character in WoL when you unlock a character, you unlock it in the main game too, so you only have to legitimately unlock like 6 characters.

    Avery Masters July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • No

    Will Says Words July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • What editing software do you use?

    arkii July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • no cap the lack of buffer makes the game so much more fun, its like you have to think when you play

    NWF Live July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Melee * SUCKS* ….

    Your energy because its so fun to play. So, make sure you take some breaks.

    KemicalKiddMUSIC July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • conclusion: go play rivals

    MiaSunset July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • From what I've played of Melee, it's clear that Melee is the best competitive Smash game… But that's really it.

    SuperMarioPlumberBros July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • I love ultimate but my god why does it feel like the last thing the online mode wants you to do is try and play multiple characters? Seems counterintuitive.

    McguffinTeWaffle July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Tbh I absolutely love melee and I’ve gone back to it many times just for the sake of playing it, even without knowing all the jank and awesome tech it was by far my favourite game as a kid and will always be one of the most memorable and beloved games of my childhood even if it wasn’t perfect.

    McguffinTeWaffle July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Ultimate only has 6 frames of input lag

    Rulx July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • My favorite Smash games are probably 64 and Ultimate. 64 is slower than Melee, so the lack of a buffer is a little less jarring to me (whos first video game was Super Mario Galaxy). And Ultimate, while definitely more simplistic than Melee, can still have plenty of depth. You have to know specifically how long a move locks your opponent in hitstun, and how long you'll be locked in end lag, in order to combo properly. I consider myself to be a "very low level comp player." Somewhere between shit teir and low tier. I know the basic mechanics and am trying to get better, but I'm terrible at hitting more difficult to do things consistently.

    I find tilts difficult

    because you cant to it by pushing the stick all the way. And tiltstick screws with my already-established muscle memory (I'm a K. Rool player)

    TheRedCap July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • I respect that you find melee the best smash game, and that's fine it's an opinion, but the fact that you state ultimates "shortcomings" As being more friendly to casual players and not having the exact same form of movement as melee just seems silly to me. It seems like you think ultimate is worse because it's not melee when no game could be like melee because they're all supposed to be different from each other. It's not just roster size that makes me feel like melee is a worse smash game, it's the fact that it has such a high learning curve that takes months to overcome, which just seems useless to me because, if you have no mode of transportation, you wouldn't be able to compete in tournaments and win prizes money or trophies, so why sink months or possibly years of time into this game just to get semi good and possibly win a couple matches against another player online. And before you reply something, I know he addressed the fact that if it's not your thing then it isn't worth it, but I still find my point valid in a way. I still love your content but the hate towards ultimate because it isn't melee seems ignorant.

    Manny North July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • Something interesting I noticed as a big fan of Dark Souls 3 is that the very large buffer in a way forces you to be more precise with your inputs. Because of how large the buffer is if a spam a button like roll or attack, it will carry out that action. It forces you to be precise because if spam the attack button 3 times against the boss where the opening only allows 2, you will get stuck in animation of that swing and the boss will punish you for it. Souls series uses that huge buffer to beat the habit of button spamming out of you

    Kevin Murphy July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply
  • I ran into you on Slippi! Your Falco is super fucking crisp, definitely inspired me to get better at melee

    TheWetToaster July 12, 2020 5:06 am Reply

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